Homosexuality: Proof in the Pudding?

Several things can be seen in natal charts: personality, relationships with parents, relationships with others, relationships with family, career, health, length of life, and many, many other things. However, perhaps the more important question we should be asking is what cannot be seen in natal charts. Can race be seen in a natal chart? How about religion or belief systems someone attaches themselves to? Personally, I would be extremely wary of someone professing to be able to accurately detect these sorts of things in nativities. I don’t mean someone talking to someone and pointing out what in a chart would make this (hindsight is 20-20, as they say), but someone who says they can give a blind reading and pick out these personal things. A big one that several astrologers profess to have clues to discovering in natal charts is homosexuality or sexuality in general.

I have heard from several astrologers (aligning themselves with the modern camp), suggest that the Air Signs are the more inclined to lean towards homo or bisexuality, but under what philosophical foundations would you derive this rule from? Equally as important, how does it stand up practically? It is suggested that the reason for this is the Air Signs are naturally more open and curious to such things. Of the Air Signs, Aquarius is supposedly the most likely candidate for this trait. Unfortunately, it seems to have leaked out to the astrological community that homosexuality was a way to break out and just be rebellious of more traditional unions. This is a pretty shallow way to look at it, and I honestly think the reason why Aquarius is related to the ideas of homosexuality due to the myth associated with Ganymede. However, this is also a very bad idea, as most astrological significations are really not mythologically derived at all. It is also said that Libra is naturally inclined towards bisexuality since it is connected with balance and thus the balance of yin and yang. However, this idea is confusing as there is – seemingly – nothing balanced in a yin/yin or yang/yang relationship. Following this idea, if anything Libra would be heavily associated with heterosexuality as the need to search for the opposite sex that balances ours out, thus resulting in those balanced yin/yang relationships.

Another idea is that hard aspects from Uranus to Venus or Mars would signify such a thing (depending on the houses involved). Again, though, the idea of unconventional and challenging relationships is the basic idea behind this assertion. This idea is pretty unfounded also in that there is nothing more challenging in a same-sex relationship than an opposite-sex relationship, the same basic relationship pitfalls apply. The idea of unconventional relationships may hold up some, but I’m uncomfortable putting something that is so perspective-based into an astrological rule. Certainly in today’s culture homosexuality is some crazy thing that is deemed “unnatural” and “unconventional”, but where will it be in fifty years from now? The idea that astrology shows things that are “taboo” is another bad idea in that things that are “taboo” are completely based on the perspective of the culture and time. However, Mars will always represent passion and anger, regardless of the culture or time he is dissected in.

Regardless of the idea or methods involved in discovering homosexuality in a birth chart, I’d like to at least give it a chance. This could at least give astrologers who claim to see these things in charts a chance to “put their money where their mouth is” so to speak. While I do not agree with modern astrological philosophy, I’ve never not given it its fair shot. I’ve at least taken it into account and considered it before making a judgment on it. I’d like to see if astrologers could take two charts and tell me which one was the heterosexual and which one was the homosexual based off of their natal charts.

(click on the charts for full-size)

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Okay, so we’ll start off kind of easy. Here are the charts for two of my friends, one’s straight and the other is bisexual. So, which is which and why? Ah…so the challenge is issued.

If you feel you’ve bested these charts and can easily decipher the homosexuality in one and the heterosexuality in the other, then I have a new challenge for you.

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Here are the charts of twins, born ten minutes apart. One is gay, the other is straight. Which one’s which? If you can pick which one is which and give ample astrological testimony as to why you feel this way, then you are, indeed, an astrological genius and homosexuality can indeed be derived from the natal chart.

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10 Responses to “Homosexuality: Proof in the Pudding?”

  1. I am guessing that chart number one may have more potential for bisexuality. The deciding factor had mostly to do with the Leo Rising, in conjunction with other signatures including Venus in Gemini in the 11th and Mars in Pisces.

    With the twins, chart number two has Mercury in the 5th house which not only is the only primary difference I see, but I associate Leo / 5th house with the right combinations, particularly in association with Mars (although that is not the case here) and homosexuality.

    Was I right?

  2. Ryoin Akiyama Says:

    Hi Melody, thanks for giving it a try. I’m not going to divulge the answers so soon, after all, that would be far too easy. ;)

    The only comment I have about your delination is that twin #2’s Mercury is not located in their Fifth house, but is located in their Sixth. It’s usually agreed upon by both modern and traditional astrologers that a house gets five degrees before its cusp as well. In traditional astrology (not sure about modern here) a planet more closely conjunct to a cusp of a house has even more of an influence there, so with twin #2’s Mercury being so closely conjoined with their Sixth house cusp, it gives Mercury even more significance in relation to the Sixth house.

    Traditional sources like Lilly and Ptolemy speak of this rule often, and you’ll even find interpretations on popular websites (like astro.com) give different interpretations if a planet is near the end of a house.

    Thanks again.

  3. Hi again,

    I think my last comment disappeared somehow – but in more words – has enough time gone by to divulge the answer?

    Thanks,
    Melody

  4. Ryoin Akiyama Says:

    I’ll e-mail the answer to you. :)

  5. Hello :) I am curious to find out as well if Melody was correct! Would you mind e-mailing me the answer as well?

  6. maria tapia Says:

    could you send the answers to me please. I think the bisexual is chart number one and in the twins the homosexual is chart number two.

  7. Ryoin Akiyama Says:

    The point of the exercise is to put out the reasoning behind why you think this way and to see if it can actually hold weight. That way it doesn’t look like you eeny-meeny-miney-mo-ed the charts and that’s what gave you the answer.

  8. Anastasiya Says:

    Sorry not to be accepting the challenge, but I am really interested in the topic at the moment. So far, I see that astrology cannot determine the gay/straight status from the natal chart. I’m also coming to a conclusion that honmosexuality depends on one’s choice rather than on fatal inclination. It means that even when the inclination exists, it would not necessarily mean that the person in question would realize this potential. Just wanted to ask you for one thing: if you find anything to argue my post or if your experiment gets you to finding the genius astrologer or the universal astrological method of determining homosexuality, please let me know (at least, that it exists). Thank you in advance.

  9. I have done my own research into several groups including homosexuals. Comparing the first 2 charts I would say that chart ‘b’ came the closest to being similar to the findings of my research. Three aspects, Sun trine Saturn, Sun trine Uranus and Venus square Mars, were found at somewhat higher levels than would have been expected by chance in my homosexual group and were also found in chart ‘b’. Aspects in chart ‘a’ rather tended to be below expectations. Also, I found that the gays showed more charts that had both a t-square and a grand trine than would be expected by chance pointing again to chart ‘b’. Further chart ‘b’ has many more Moon and Venus aspects than chart ‘a’ — another indication of homosexuality. The indicators I have cited were not the most prominent ones that I found but were rather on the soft side. Perhaps this is why chart ‘b’ is bisexual rather than fully gay. There were no indicators in chart ‘a’. As a group the homosexuals had fewer planets in the 2nd quarter than expected– both of these charts show the quarter to have quite a few planets (more for chart ‘b’ though.)

    For the 2nd pair I found the situation impossible to fathom. I use an equal house system which gives them all the same positions. Still I would guess chart ‘d’ as the homosexual chart.

  10. My reply has been here for quite awhile. Could you send me the answers please.

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